I spoke to
Sahema Saweri, president, and
Shoaib Doostizadah, public officer, of the
Australian Hazara Students Group, at the January 15 vigil in Melbourne for the victims of the Quetta bomb blasts.
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Can you tell me what these vigils have been about?
Sahema: The Hazara community has lost about 110 lives in the twin
bomb blasts in Quetta, Pakistan, which took place on January 10; these
vigils were arranged to stand in solidarity with the people in Quetta.
Violence [against Hazaras in Pakistan] started off in 1999 or 2000, with
targeted attacks on our leaders, and then it continued to leaders,
doctors, teachers, students, and now any Hazara is being targeted. It
has worsened in the last two years and this most recent attack on
January 10 is the worst that has ever taken place.
What is your feeling in terms of response of the community?
Sahema: We need more people on the street. We've had protests in
Sydney, Adelaide and Perth, there will be one in Brisbane, as well as
the vigil in Melbourne. But we've had quite a big number of our
non-Hazara friends stand in solidarity with the victims of the attack in
Quetta with us. They have been writing about it, spreading the word
amongst their friends.
Shoaib: We've been very pleased to have a lot of people see us, look
at our posters, ask us what the vigil is about, [ask] what is the
incident, why are we protesting. Overall the reaction of the public has
been not only sympathetic, but supportive.
For the Hazara community in Australia, a lot of us have close family
or friends who still live in that part of the world. So directly and
indirectly, we have been affected by this incident. We have felt the
very pain that all the families and relatives of the victims have felt,
and indirectly as well. That sense of community and solidarity among us
is what has driven us to come here today, to show our sympathy for the
Hazaras [in Pakistan], that we are with them, we haven't forgotten them.
How does this issue impact on Australian politics, particularly the issue of asylum seekers?
Sahema: I think it should have a great impact because it basically is
a demonstration [of] why people take asylum and come to Australia.
Especially the Hazara people. Many of the asylum seekers coming by boat
are Hazara people from Afghanistan and Pakistan.
Attacks like this are the reason people come to Australia. The
government wants to stop people from coming to Australia; the best way
to do that is provide them safety back home, so they don't need to take
asylum, so people don't put themselves on "leaky boats" and risk their
lives to come here.
I think we can do this by putting pressure on the governments of
Afghanistan and Pakistan to provide protection to their citizens, and
give them the most basic right, the right to live. They don't want
anything else, they just want to live peacefully. The Australian and
European governments have a big role to play in this. They must put
pressure on those governments so the Hazara people and all other
communities can live in peace.
Shoaib: The Australian government has been quite harsh with the
asylum seekers and refugees recently. The government likes to say people
are coming "illegally", [but] incidents like the one on January 10
shows why people chose to come by whatever means necessary.
The Hazara community requests the Australian government to reconsider
the approach they have taken to asylum seekers. I truly believe the
government does know, does understand the misery the Hazara people
suffer in Pakistan but the political debate stops them from doing what
they should actually be doing, which is considering the rights of all
human beings.
Do you think the Australian government is doing enough for the Hazara people?
Sahema: To be honest, no. I think Australia is actually making it
worse for the Hazara people. When they come here we put them in
detention centres, sometimes for indefinite periods of years. Why do we
do this? They have not done anything wrong. According to Australian laws
it is legal to take asylum and come to Australia.
The Australian government has done a lot for us, but right now, they
need to be putting pressure on the governments of Afghanistan and
Pakistan to defend our rights, that is the message we want to get
across. We don't want all the Hazara people to come to Australia and
take asylum, that's not possible and obviously not what we want, to
start our lives over from scratch. The best solution is to provide us
safety back home.
Shoaib: There are a couple of initiatives the Australian government
could take, given these incidents frequently occur in Pakistan. Firstly,
our ministers, particularly our foreign minister [Bob Carr] should have
a conversation with his Pakistani counterpart and raise this issue.
We also request the government to take this issue to the UN; now we
have secured a seat on the Security Council, we need to take the voice
of the besieged Hazara community in Pakistan to the UN in order for a
lasting solution to this crisis.
Does the Australian government have a particular
responsibility on this issue because they have committed troops to the
occupation of Afghanistan?
Sahema: Definitely, as an Australian citizen, I don't want any
Australian soldiers to die in Afghanistan, or Iraq, or Pakistan. Why
should they die for a cause, the "war on terror" that's not even ours?
We want our Australian brothers to be safe. We have to do something
but the Australian government, instead of sending soldiers to
Afghanistan, could be applying pressure to Pakistan and Afghanistan to
defend our basic rights. How long can the US and Australia be in
Afghanistan and fight for them? We should put that responsibility on
those countries to take action for themselves, to take care of their
citizens and provide them with the protection they deserve.
These vigils have been well attended but how have the Australian media responded to these killings?
Sahema: We've never received serious attention from the media. They
tend to focus on violence, or big interesting events that they think
will be interesting to the Australian people. If the Australian people
want the asylum seekers to stop coming here, they need to look deeper
than this and stand with us.